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		<title>By: linda</title>
		<link>http://wyrdbyrd.wordpress.com/2008/03/02/jesus-and-voting/#comment-294</link>
		<dc:creator>linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, totally agree with karen armstrong re fear driven.  I believe the two emotions that rule peoples&#039; lives, even more so than love, are fear and anger.  think about how many people live their lives in fear and/or anger.

look at two of the &quot;fears&quot; of fundamentalists: women (Taliban) and choice (murdering drs. who do abortions).

and you&#039;re right about fundamentalist atheists and I&#039;ve known a few fundamentalist Buddhists (altho not many! :) ) -- they hang out at a Buddhist website I won&#039;t mention arguing which path is quickest toward enlightenment (among other things!)

and of course THEIR path is the RIGHT one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, totally agree with karen armstrong re fear driven.  I believe the two emotions that rule peoples&#8217; lives, even more so than love, are fear and anger.  think about how many people live their lives in fear and/or anger.</p>
<p>look at two of the &#8220;fears&#8221; of fundamentalists: women (Taliban) and choice (murdering drs. who do abortions).</p>
<p>and you&#8217;re right about fundamentalist atheists and I&#8217;ve known a few fundamentalist Buddhists (altho not many! <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) &#8212; they hang out at a Buddhist website I won&#8217;t mention arguing which path is quickest toward enlightenment (among other things!)</p>
<p>and of course THEIR path is the RIGHT one!</p>
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		<title>By: wyrdbyrd</title>
		<link>http://wyrdbyrd.wordpress.com/2008/03/02/jesus-and-voting/#comment-293</link>
		<dc:creator>wyrdbyrd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linda, You are so right. I wish people wouldn&#039;t throw every Christian into the same pot. I know, however, that it is well-deserved by a certain segment of the population----unfortunately the segment that gets media attention. All the quiet Christians going about their daily lives trying to follow Jesus are invisible. I know a lot of these people, but according to the media, they don&#039;t exist.

I read a book a few years back by Karen Armstrong on fundamentalism and she makes the point that fundamentalism tends to be fear-driven.

I think you hit the nail on the head when you said &quot;they think they&#039;re right.&quot; We all tend to think we&#039;re right, and when arrogance and ego enter into the equation, you get mean-spirited rhetoric. I see it from the fundamentalist Christians and from the fundamentalist atheists!  We will never live together in peace with this attitude.

Peace to you, my Buddhist sister.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linda, You are so right. I wish people wouldn&#8217;t throw every Christian into the same pot. I know, however, that it is well-deserved by a certain segment of the population&#8212;-unfortunately the segment that gets media attention. All the quiet Christians going about their daily lives trying to follow Jesus are invisible. I know a lot of these people, but according to the media, they don&#8217;t exist.</p>
<p>I read a book a few years back by Karen Armstrong on fundamentalism and she makes the point that fundamentalism tends to be fear-driven.</p>
<p>I think you hit the nail on the head when you said &#8220;they think they&#8217;re right.&#8221; We all tend to think we&#8217;re right, and when arrogance and ego enter into the equation, you get mean-spirited rhetoric. I see it from the fundamentalist Christians and from the fundamentalist atheists!  We will never live together in peace with this attitude.</p>
<p>Peace to you, my Buddhist sister.</p>
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		<title>By: linda</title>
		<link>http://wyrdbyrd.wordpress.com/2008/03/02/jesus-and-voting/#comment-292</link>
		<dc:creator>linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fran and wyrdbyrd, I believe people say that stuff about christians because of the &quot;christians&quot; I wrote about in my post &quot;onward christian soldiers.&quot;

of course not all christians and &quot;religious people&quot; are like that, the same way not all muslims are  fundamentalist muslims.  personally I see no difference between a fundamentalist muslim or a fundamentalist christian.  they both think they&#039;re right, I&#039;m wrong, and I&#039;m going to hell, which I&#039;ve been told on more than one occasion!  I know there are a few out there praying for me because I&#039;m one of those heathen Buddhists.  

as a United Church of Christ minister told me, it&#039;s &quot;&#039;those christians&#039; who give the rest of us a bad name.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fran and wyrdbyrd, I believe people say that stuff about christians because of the &#8220;christians&#8221; I wrote about in my post &#8220;onward christian soldiers.&#8221;</p>
<p>of course not all christians and &#8220;religious people&#8221; are like that, the same way not all muslims are  fundamentalist muslims.  personally I see no difference between a fundamentalist muslim or a fundamentalist christian.  they both think they&#8217;re right, I&#8217;m wrong, and I&#8217;m going to hell, which I&#8217;ve been told on more than one occasion!  I know there are a few out there praying for me because I&#8217;m one of those heathen Buddhists.  </p>
<p>as a United Church of Christ minister told me, it&#8217;s &#8220;&#8216;those christians&#8217; who give the rest of us a bad name.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: wyrdbyrd</title>
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		<dc:creator>wyrdbyrd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 03:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fran, The rhetoric is becoming so divisive. I saw something on a blog (I think I got there from yours) recently about religious people being sheep---I don&#039;t remember the wording exactly, but it was quite insulting and derisive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fran, The rhetoric is becoming so divisive. I saw something on a blog (I think I got there from yours) recently about religious people being sheep&#8212;I don&#8217;t remember the wording exactly, but it was quite insulting and derisive.</p>
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		<title>By: FranIAm</title>
		<link>http://wyrdbyrd.wordpress.com/2008/03/02/jesus-and-voting/#comment-290</link>
		<dc:creator>FranIAm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So much to go into here!!

First of all I am very tortured right now by the level of angry anti-religious rhetoric among part of my blogging circle. It is so disheartening to hear otherwise compassionate and allegedly peace-seeking folk say such hateful things about religion, religious people and so forth. 

I know I need to post about it too and I am reluctant as my feelings are still so raw about it. Twice last week I cried when reading things at the blogs of &quot;friends&quot; - did they mean to be hurtful? No. But were they? Yes.

Sometimes I bring it up and I get the token Christian response - &quot;but Fran you are one of the nice ones!&quot; WTF does that mean (i told you this was raw for me)????

I actually wrote someone an email this morning asking them if they thought it would be nice if I put the following on my blog-

&quot;Wow, you are so articulate for a black person!&quot; and then  this- &quot;For a Jew, you are not cheap at all!&quot; 

No one would say that but they would most easily say - and think they are being nice - &quot;wow for a Christian you are so open minded!&quot;  

Grrrrr.... It makes me angry, I need to calm down.

Which brings me to other points. Sorry if I sound like a crank, I guess I am today.

That Amy Sullivan piece got on my nerves when I read it the other day.

I was entranced by Wallis when I first heard him speak in January 2006, but have since cooled. After you see him we can speak via email about it if you wish.

Time to go breathe!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much to go into here!!</p>
<p>First of all I am very tortured right now by the level of angry anti-religious rhetoric among part of my blogging circle. It is so disheartening to hear otherwise compassionate and allegedly peace-seeking folk say such hateful things about religion, religious people and so forth. </p>
<p>I know I need to post about it too and I am reluctant as my feelings are still so raw about it. Twice last week I cried when reading things at the blogs of &#8220;friends&#8221; &#8211; did they mean to be hurtful? No. But were they? Yes.</p>
<p>Sometimes I bring it up and I get the token Christian response &#8211; &#8220;but Fran you are one of the nice ones!&#8221; WTF does that mean (i told you this was raw for me)????</p>
<p>I actually wrote someone an email this morning asking them if they thought it would be nice if I put the following on my blog-</p>
<p>&#8220;Wow, you are so articulate for a black person!&#8221; and then  this- &#8220;For a Jew, you are not cheap at all!&#8221; </p>
<p>No one would say that but they would most easily say &#8211; and think they are being nice &#8211; &#8220;wow for a Christian you are so open minded!&#8221;  </p>
<p>Grrrrr&#8230;. It makes me angry, I need to calm down.</p>
<p>Which brings me to other points. Sorry if I sound like a crank, I guess I am today.</p>
<p>That Amy Sullivan piece got on my nerves when I read it the other day.</p>
<p>I was entranced by Wallis when I first heard him speak in January 2006, but have since cooled. After you see him we can speak via email about it if you wish.</p>
<p>Time to go breathe!!!</p>
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		<title>By: wyrdbyrd</title>
		<link>http://wyrdbyrd.wordpress.com/2008/03/02/jesus-and-voting/#comment-289</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 00:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, Thanks for reading my blog!

Yogamum, Funny you should mention Wallis---I&#039;m going to go hear him speak tomorrow! And no, I haven&#039;t read that book, but I&#039;ve been meaning to for a while. He has a new book called The Great Awakening. I also like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sojo.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sojourners&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, Thanks for reading my blog!</p>
<p>Yogamum, Funny you should mention Wallis&#8212;I&#8217;m going to go hear him speak tomorrow! And no, I haven&#8217;t read that book, but I&#8217;ve been meaning to for a while. He has a new book called The Great Awakening. I also like <a href="http://www.sojo.net/" rel="nofollow">Sojourners</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Harmon</title>
		<link>http://wyrdbyrd.wordpress.com/2008/03/02/jesus-and-voting/#comment-287</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Harmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 22:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found your site on technorati and read a few of your other posts.  Keep up the good work.  I just added your RSS feed to my Google News Reader.  Looking forward to reading more from you.

Mike Harmon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found your site on technorati and read a few of your other posts.  Keep up the good work.  I just added your RSS feed to my Google News Reader.  Looking forward to reading more from you.</p>
<p>Mike Harmon</p>
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		<title>By: yogamum</title>
		<link>http://wyrdbyrd.wordpress.com/2008/03/02/jesus-and-voting/#comment-286</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 21:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bet you&#039;ve read &quot;God&#039;s Politics,&quot; by Jim Wallis, on this very subject, but if you haven&#039;t, you should!  Great book.

Loved your point of view.  I really don&#039;t understand why people think Jesus would have been a Republican ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bet you&#8217;ve read &#8220;God&#8217;s Politics,&#8221; by Jim Wallis, on this very subject, but if you haven&#8217;t, you should!  Great book.</p>
<p>Loved your point of view.  I really don&#8217;t understand why people think Jesus would have been a Republican <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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